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		<title>Adobe Learns XML, Slowly</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Discussion of current XML rendition namespaces from Adobe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that the <a href="http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/FXG+2.0+Specification">draft FXG 2.0 Specification</a> is finally online. It appears that this will be the form of FXG implemented in CS5.</p>
<p>I have been interested in, and somewhat connected to, Adobe&#8217;s approach to XML for quite some time. In the mid 1990s, FrameMaker supported SGML prior to the birth of XML. In 2000, Silicon Publishing worked with Adobe in publicizing FrameMaker 6.5 as an XML-capable tool, though FrameMaker+SGML only worked with XML in a very cumbersome, awkward way.</p>
<p>I will never forget our first project for Adobe, which was one of the very first Silicon Publishing projects. One Friday in 2000 I went to meet Doug Yagaloff, the publishing genius that led Caxton, and he gave me a copy of Frame+SGML and said I just had to do one simple thing. Import an XML document, and export it back out. That was a long weekend! I felt like I must be very stupid, it took me forever to get anywhere at all. Thankfully, Sunday night I found <a href="http://tecfa.unige.ch/guides/xml/frame-sgml/">a &#8220;quick guide&#8221; online</a> which exemplifies the great patience that is generally characteristic of those working with SGML and document-centric XML. I was able to show Doug an example the following Monday &#8211; &#8220;it&#8217;s hard, isn&#8217;t it?&#8221; he smiled.</p>
<p>We worked with Adobe on the FrameMaker 7.0 release, which dramatically improved the XML support. Later we <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/dita.pdf">put DITA support into FrameMaker</a> for Adobe, which now gives a real head start when working with document-centric XML. I am a strong believer in DITA.</p>
<p>That is the core, semantic XML that SGML was oriented around at its foundation. InDesign got some bare-bones support for semantic XML with 2.0, but it goes nowhere as deep as the support of real XML authoring tools. Probably more interesting in terms of Adobe technology (they bought FrameMaker but it stands outside of their main product offerings) is rendition XML, and here was an area more exciting to us at Silicon Publishing.</p>
<p><strong>Rendition XML</strong></p>
<p>In 1998, when I was still at Bertelsmann, one of our former employees who had moved on to Adobe told me about a very exciting new XML specification: <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/NOTE-PGML-19980410.html">PGML</a>. This made great sense to me, and I was an early enthusiast. It was not long before the PGML effort was subsumed under <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/">SVG</a>, and Adobe was a major participant the SVG spec development effort, with their representative, Jon Ferraiolo, serving as lead editor of the spec itself. The Adobe SVG Viewer became the primary way SVG was viewed on the web, while tools like Batik evolved steadily and browsers (with one huge notable exception) gradually evolved support for it. Adobe Illustrator supported and still supports SVG round trip, while InDesign offered SVG export but has since deprecated it.</p>
<p>On another front, rendition of documents, Adobe also participated in the most significant standard: <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xsl-20011015/">XSL-FO</a>. Here was a document description language highly similar to FrameMaker&#8217;s MIF, and again an Adobe expert, Stephen Deach, led the specification definition. FrameMaker never directly supported XSL-FO, but a short-lived server application, <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/server/documentserver/index.html">Adobe Document Server</a>, offered XSL-FO support via its underlying FrameMaker engine. This was a great XSL-FO implementation, actually, but was not well supported by Adobe and it is now extinct.</p>
<p>On the surface you could consider Adobe a leader in standards-based XML for graphic and document formats. However, <a href="http://www.publishingsilicon.com/?p=5">as I discussed earlier</a>, there is an interesting mix of motives in the involvement of such companies in web and XML standards. When Macromedia Flash was a competitor, an &#8220;open standard&#8221; like SVG made sense, but after the Macromedia acquisition, it made <a href="http://www.adobe.com/svg/eol.html">less sense</a>.</p>
<p>Adobe has gone down the path of proprietary XML namespaces, not unlike their competitor Microsoft. And like Microsoft, whose XAML is highly derivative of SVG, they have not found a reason to re-invent the wheel.</p>
<p><strong>Three XML Namespaces</strong></p>
<p>There are three XML namespaces that appear critical to the future of document and graphic description at Adobe. These are IDML (InDesign Markup Language), FLA (formerly XFL, the description of Flash, and FXG (the graphic model supported by Flex 4 and central to the designer/developer workflow of Flash Catalyst): FLA handles the complete, interactive Flash model (literally replacing the binary .fla format) while FXG is more about static graphic representation. Theoretically, FXG is open source, as is the Flex SDK, but these remain extremely Adobe-centric efforts.</p>
<p>FXG and FLA have some strong similarities to SVG. In fact Adobe acknowledges the partially derivative nature in the specs. Of course there are differences between what was specified in SVG and what is natural to the graphic model underlying Flash; it appears that <a href="http://www.andersblog.com/archives/2008/09/flash_on_the_be.html">SVG would have been difficult to implement across the board, given how Flash was built and the goals of Flex</a> yet they used SVG tags directly where it did fit the Flash model.</p>
<p>FXG is becoming a very powerful specification, now that the Text Layout Framework is built into it. Flash is able to render FXG and Illustrator is able to import/export FXG. With CS5 the designer/developer workflows and the general interaction between print-centric and web-centric work should become much better.</p>
<p>IDML is not derivative from XSL-FO. It represents a very general similarity, especially compared to the earlier INX XML format for InDesign: it is at least a complete document object model. INX was merely instructions to the scripting DOM as to how to create the document. It is too bad that Adobe has not managed to reconcile the text engine of InDesign with that of Flash: it appears that IDML will for the near term stay quite separate from the other Adobe namespaces.</p>
<p>To me, FLA is the most exciting new XML namespace coming from Adobe, but it won&#8217;t really be exciting until we have an FLA server that can compile FLA to SWF quickly. Dynamic content is possible with Flash in many ways already, but the possibility of making the entire SWF dynamic and manipulating that content in arbitrary ways with XML tools should bring the form of publishing power we envisioned with SVG to life once and for all.</p>
<p>As they have tended to miss the boat on any server application of their technology, Adobe appears to be slow to perceive the value of such a thing (I once asked Kevin Lynch for a Photoshop server &#8211; he questioned whether anyone would want it, citing experience with Macromedia Generator). It is an interesting question which group an XFL server may come out of; such a product could be conceived as natural to InDesign Server, to Flash Media Server (or some other work of the Flash Platform group), or to Scene7 (which has very powerful SaaS rendition capabilities, some of which are based on FXG). We are lobbying&#8230; </p>
<p>Adobe has finally built some XML foundation under their rendition models, and we are able to attain many of the things we dreamed of back in the SVG/XSL-FO days, via XML if not via open XML standards. I don&#8217;t have big hopes for Adobe integrating semantic XML in their core products (FrameMaker being a black sheep outlier), beyond simple metadata (XMP is good enough here, but document-level metadata is trivial compared to true semantic XML). Hopefully the power of their rendition technology with its new XML underpinnings (and consequent greater extensibility) will provide a foundation that enables other companies and open source efforts to make tools that bring the deeper vision of XML publishing to life.</p>
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		<title>IDML Resources</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IDML resources posted to the IDML Developers Group]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally posted to the <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/idml-developers/">IDML Developers Group</a> that I started on Yahoo. I hope this group takes off as developers begin to use IDML more frequently in InDesign automation.</p>
<p>IDML is wonderful, but it doesn&#8217;t on its own do quite everything one has to do to compose and edit dynamic documents. While you can define text and formats in a Story, for example, there is not a pure IDML-based approach to managing in-flow continued headers or copyfitting of text. You can&#8217;t use IDML alone to conditionally fill space based on how text flowed: IDML essentially instructs InDesign what to flow into a document, but it is not so different than MIF, XSL-FO, or other document descriptions that often require a two-pass approach to document composition (XSL-FO in some implementations does have extensions that go further than MIF or IDML in this respect): flow the content with IDML then clean things up and reflow based on scripting or plugin-based automation. It would be nice to see the page description itself include such state-based features.</p>
<p>While there are tactics that one can use to include metadata in IDML that round trips with documents, it would also be nice if IDML were more extensible in terms of allowing object-level metadata to persist when the IDML document is round-tripped with InDesign.</p>
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